Myquillyn Smith says your house isn't cluttered, it's loud. We talk about her House Hushing method, why homes fill up to fit the space, and how to quiet a room in about 12 minutes without getting rid of a thing.
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There's a moment in this episode where Myquillyn Smith describes walking in your door with a bag of groceries.
The shoes by the door are asking you to organize them. The floor is asking to be mopped. The mail on the counter is asking to be sorted, and the counter itself is so beautifully styled that there is nowhere to actually set the groceries down.
None of that is junk. It might all be lovely. But it is all talking at the same time.
That's the reframe at the heart of her new book, House Hushing, and it's the reason I wanted her on the show. Because most of us will not admit our home is cluttered. We will absolutely admit it's loud.
Myquillyn and her family moved from a simple farmhouse with eight foot ceilings into a 1905 Victorian. As she puts it, that house is already a diva. Pocket doors, trim, details everywhere, built-ins on both sides of the window.
She was thrilled. Built-ins meant she could finally display everything she loved.
So she styled the room exactly the way she always does. Seating, surfaces, storage, lighting, window treatments, a little white space. Then she stood back and thought, I don't like this, and I don't know why.
So she took a photo. And looking at that photo later, she saw it instantly. Everything in that room was competing. Nothing was getting the attention it deserved.
That trick alone is worth the listen. We all go house blind. A photo, or looking at a photo upside down, gives you fresh eyes on a room you stopped seeing years ago.
Here's the method, and it's genuinely simple.
You pick a room. You pick a second area out of sight to hold things temporarily. You tell your family it's just an experiment and nothing is being thrown away. Then you remove the first layer of visible stuff. Everything on surfaces, everything on the sofa, everything on the floor.
Not the furniture. Not the rug. Not the lamps or the TV. The room still needs to work.
Myquillyn says it takes her about twelve minutes.
Then you live in it. For 24 to 48 hours you read in there, eat in there, watch a movie in there. You let your family experience it too, because they will say things that surprise you.
This is when things start to shift. The room starts to feel big. It feels like when you first moved in. And you start quietly hoping you don't have to bring all that stuff back.
That feeling is what you're looking for. Now you're not making decisions out of guilt or a rule you read somewhere. You have information.
I brought Myquillyn a problem I've been living with. We moved from a two bedroom into a three bedroom, and I was genuinely shocked recently by how much more stuff we have now.
Her answer was more generous than I expected. You have a third room, you're not going to leave it empty. None of us are born knowing how to decorate, but we all know when a room feels too empty, and our instinct is to fill it so it feels welcoming.
The goal isn't an empty house. The goal is knowing your stuff threshold, which is her version of what Dana K. White calls the clutter threshold. Every home has a limit for what it can hold before it starts shouting.
I asked about closed storage, because House Hushing tells you not to open the closets when you start. A room can look beautifully quiet while every cabinet behind it is packed.
Her answer stuck with me. In the same way that more leads to more, less leads to less. Once you've tasted a quiet room, you start wanting to protect it, and that's what finally makes you willing to face the junk drawer.
I also pushed on hospitality, because my listeners tell me all the time that they can't let go of things in case someone comes over. I hosted nine people in a tiny house one Christmas with eight plates. I ate off the small one.
Her response is the line I keep repeating: the size of your house does not dictate the size of your hospitality.
Why reframing clutter as visual noise makes it easier to face
The photo trick that cures house blindness in about ten seconds
All the steps of backwards decluttering and why the 48 hour wait does the hard work for you
Why the sit and listen step matters more than the removing step
How to hush a kid's room without breaking their trust
When to move from visible clutter to closed storage
How to experience a season through your five senses instead of storing decor for eleven months a year
I got honest with Myquillyn in this episode.
Life has thrown a lot at my family lately, and as things got louder outside my home, my home drifted right along with it. I host a decluttering podcast and my house is loud right now.
She didn't hand me a tip. She told me my house was serving me exactly the way it was built to. That the work I did years ago is the reason the noise is lower than it would have been. That a home is supposed to be able to absorb hard seasons.
I have said that to so many of you. It is so much harder to say to yourself.
If your home feels loud right now, you're not behind. You're in a season, and your house is doing its job.
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Myquillyn Smith, also known as "The Nester," is the New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestselling author of Welcome Home, Cozy Minimalist Home, and House Rules. For the past 18 years, she has been encouraging women to embrace their space--imperfections and all--and make it their own. Her home in North Carolina has been featured in Better Homes & Gardens, Ladies' Home Journal, and Cottages & Bungalows. She's never met a home she didn't love. Find her online at TheNester.com and on Instagram @TheNester.
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